Ethical Egoism - How do you make personal decisions?

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By NotPC

Humans are ALL egoists!

I have found that people are constantly fighting with themselves about how to make decisions.  Should I make decisions that benefit me or should I consider the opinions and desires of others?  There is no concrete answer to this question as the situational possibilities are practically infinite.  Even between cultures, decisions are shaped by surroundings.  For the purpose of this argument, I suggest that ultimately, everyone acts in accordance with his or her own self interest, therefore making all humans egoists.  If all humans are egoists, to what extent could anyone support a legitimate reason to care for, and cooperate with others?  I use three different countries to propose that different environments create varying degrees of purpose for social cooperation.  These variations seem to be associated with a person’s background and lifestyle, chosen based upon the outcome with the highest probability of survival.

Representation of the "American Dream"
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Representation of the "American Dream"

"American Dream"

Within the United States, we are constantly bombarded with the “American Dream” myth.  We are subtly, yet purposefully, reminded that everyone can succeed if they try “hard enough.”  Personal ambitions are often brought to the attention of others in hope that one might find assistance towards ultimate goals of success.  This seems to create an environment where each individual person makes decisions that move him closer to his final goal, only making decisions that benefit others when convenient.

Productivity is a benefit... But at what cost?

This makes me a bit uneasy, but perhaps the American thought process is actually beneficial.  The United States has accomplished more than any other country in terms of recent technological advances.  This is a bold, but irrefutable claim; especially when considering such accomplishments as the airplane, the internet, medicine, and superior athletic training.  Why then, does the United States have a depression rate of 16 percent, an astronomically high figure when compared to the rest of the world? Considering the amount of people who probably have undiagnosed depression, I would estimate this percentage to be much larger.  The “success for all” theory seems to be a powerful motivational tool for success but perhaps not the best for promoting happiness.  When people meet a constant stream of failures after being taught that they will eventually meet success, they tire and instead greet depression.

The communist banner of the Chinese Republic!
The communist banner of the Chinese Republic!

Egoism of China

Through extensive world travel I have found that many other cultures do not have the same decision-making style as modeled in the U.S.  In China, as I walked the famous street markets, I could not help but notice the unfailing collaboration between the shopkeepers.  Shopping in China is not a leisurely activity.  I would compare the experience to a gauntlet race.  Different shops work together to set their prices, lure potential customers, and essentially pull as much money into their economy as possible.  Profits are often shared amongst all members.  All succeed or none succeed.  The Chinese are raised to make decisions that benefit their family and community over themselves.  Doesn’t that sound like the theme of a children’s book?  Nah, when the Chinese work together, they are ultimately looking out for themselves because without a supportive team they would fail.  Business moves fast in China and individuals are left in the dust.

The modest flag of modern Australia.
The modest flag of modern Australia.

Australian Egoism

Australian behavior fully contrasts that of China.  People seem to keep their problems to themselves and make decisions that are individually beneficial.  Even within families, Australians do not expect much support and in turn give little.  When spending time with my aussie relatives, I have to remember to avoid certain conversational topics as to not make them uncomfortable.  Fortunately, if I do slip and mention my iPod breaking or the fact that I failed a test, I can be sure they won’t care after a few minutes.  Most Australians are extremely laid back and don’t worry too much about the behavior of others.  They make personal decisions to have the best time they can, all the time, regardless of their interactions with others.  This individualistic mentality creates a very pleasurable living environment but perhaps at a loss to productivity. 

Comparisons Between Countries

All three countries exemplify a different style of ethical egoism, the normative ethical position that individuals ought to make moral decisions based on their own self-interest. People will naturally have different “common sense” moral intuitions based on their surroundings. In the United States, common sense seems to mean that individuals will primarily act upon their own desires and act upon the desires of others when convenient. This behavior models that of individuals who have accepted the theory of universal ethical egoism, claiming that everyone should act in their own self interest. But…If everyone acts in their own self interest, won’t that cause morals to clash? Yes. Yes, Yes, and Yes!!! This theory is the formula for good ’ole fashioned American competition. Based on the American lifestyle, universal ethical egoism would create a high rate of productivity, with a high potential for individuals to be dissatisfied with their life.

What the rest of the world thinks about moral equivalency...
What the rest of the world thinks about moral equivalency...

Chinese culture resembles one in which individuals are expected to make the desires of others congruent with their own. This lifestyle shows that the Chinese follow a position called individual ethical egoism, which claims that all should act to serve “my,” meaning each individual’s, self interest. If all Chinese share the common goal of improving everyone, everyone is acting in a way that serves everyone’s self interest. Wow, that is deep! The productivity of China is not as rampant as the competition-based United States, but a solid teamwork mentality still creates a great environment for accomplishment. On the surface, happiness is somewhat hard to assess, but after being submerged into the culture, I can say with confidence that the Chinese find contentment within their positive work environment and supportive community.

In some instances, happiness can be very easy to assess… Australians love to be alive! They live to be happy. Every individual considers himself to be responsible for his own attitude. However, because aussies look out for themselves, they often concentrate on pleasure before work. Australia, for good reason, has a stereotype of aiming for mediocrity. These facts suggest that aussies follow a position called personal ethical egoism, looking out for oneself while ignoring the resulting effects on others. Australian happiness tops the charts while productivity remains somewhat average.

Conclusion

I do not see altruism as a very logical means of living and therefore do not believe that anyone could actually live by this “virtue.”  Altruism is the selfless concern for others while ignoring personal self interest.  Consider all the starving people of the world.  If I were a true believer of altruism, I could give everything I had, still not be able to give enough, and consequently have no means to keep myself alive.  Every act holds some degree of selfish desire.  Helping others creates positive feelings, builds support, and increases knowledge.  If one makes decisions that benefit everyone, he increases the chance that others will make decisions that benefit him.  Of course an egoist could legitimately care for, and cooperate with others!  It is in his best interest to do so.  Obviously different environments will call for different amounts of social cooperation and the extent to which this takes place is dependent upon the environment of every individual.

Comments

Winsome 6 months ago

This post is a well-said one. It contrasted two distinct cultures. The culture usually affects the way of how people in that particular culture sees things, namely the good. If the concept of goods are varies in cultures, it is no way to universalize the values of the world under one particular model. This would definitely be ethical egoism, yet also make the assimilated societies collapsed and cannot function probably.

In a global market like today, cultural difference is critical. People travels from one country to another to do business, since they have been trained under one particular way of thinking, they usually assume that the other side would understand what they are trying to say and what make them say so. The ignorance of minor cultural differences are usually the grenades for messing up the business, or even building up stereotype images for their own countries.

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annieloulaurel 12 months ago

Interesting hub!

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Richard VanIngram 13 months ago

I'll add -- you also have a nice potential chunk of cultural relativism thrown in here, too. Relativism, ethically, has a deep fatal flaw in it, logically. Again, please read my essays and then feel free to have at.

RVI

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Richard VanIngram 13 months ago

MMMMM. You & I may wind up having some interesting conversations. Go read my http://hubpages.com/hub/Individualism-vs-Egoism-Th

and

http://hubpages.com/hub/conversation-with-a-libert

in that order, if you would.

I'm afraid what you're arguing here is a form of ethical subjectivism as much as ethical egoism (I find egoists often are really subjectivists in disguise, or don't really understand fully what they're arguing for.

In short, I'll begin with a simple disagreement: people are neither selfish nor selfless "by nature." I'll even be so politically incorrect myself as to say: inasmuch as we are human beings and not simply any other form of animal, we have no nature -- we have history and circumstance and we have choice, and our choices make us who we are. All choices are not equal -- some are qualitatively better than others for a variety of reasons, some creative and aesthetic, and some moral.

The proposition "all people at all times are selfish (egoists)" is a theory. As such,it has to be testable in some way or capable of being falsified -- one would have to be able to imagine what it would look like to find choices or people who are not completely selfish; that doesn't mean you'd ever find any, but you'd know it *if* you did. Otherwise, what you have is a dogma held on absolute faith, not a rational theory about human beings.

So: what would a non-egoistic action or person who doesn't do everything from selfish motives look like? How would I or anyone else ever know should we accidentally happen to run into one?

I'd like to see you address this a bit to defend your position from sounding like a dogmatic statement, which I'm sure you don't think it is.

(As an additional hint, one need not be either wholly selfish OR "selfless" in one's acts all of the time. It's not an all or nothing proposition -- while some people may be selfish most all of the time, it does not follow all people either are or should be or have to be.)

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sonia05 Level 4 Commenter 14 months ago

A very interesting and debatable issue! it has been a privilege to go through your hub and also read the comments your hub had garnered.Isolating ego from oneself and being altruistic is not an easy task,it commands lot of restraint,discipline,positive thinking,thinking of "we" before"I".I guess,here the role of spiritualism becomes important as it helps us to identify ourselves,make us realize our objective in this life,overcome vices of greed,jealousy,unhealthy competition etc.It strengthens our resolve in accomplishing our objectives without much diversions.

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Anita Sue 14 months ago

Wow! Great Hub! But never ever ever have me as a judge for a good debate. I found myself siding with each country's views. As for myself, I am one of those people that is always trying to please someone else, even if it takes too much time out of my day to talk, visit with or help someone. I will pay the bill, agree to be the DD or babysitter, attend the wedding or funeral, will stay married etc... I feel a wee bit good in my daily sacrifices (once completed), yet feel resentment and envy for those who live for themselves first. I also note that those persons have less gray hair than I; and I hate that too. I'm a mess. Very interesting.

Hipprintz 14 months ago

Great Hub! I want to think this through and discuss in more detail.

It is true humans are egoists, but I also like to believe we strive to overcome ego and live from our souls perspective. In my opinion, that is the true reason we are born to this earth. To take the journey from ego/selfishness and learn to grow and live from our souls perspective/selflessness.

We are the creators of our universe. This is all an illusion. We've created this dimension. I live for the day that I can move from the 3rd to the 4th dimension-but that does not include death as you may think. It's more about raising your energetic vibration to move to the next level in spirit.

Thank you for the insight!

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Sunnie Day Level 8 Commenter 14 months ago

That was such good hub and really insightful! Down right honest. I think you really spoke some truth.I am not familiar with some of the terms such as Eogism but understand the thoughts behind it. In our hearts there is constant "selfish desire" and even if we strive to do selfless acts of good there is constant conflict with that desire. In the Bible it says

"The heart is deceitful above all things,

and desperately sick;

who can understand it"?

I think thats why there is a constant battle within. Most people want to do good. Sometimes one may go over board and some just don't care. If you realize that being a good person benefits others around you, thus making life a little sweeter for yourself, then you will strive to be a good person. We even deceive ourselves if we are really honest. It is more comfortable not to think about those things. All in all this is really deep and takes some time to wrap my head around it. Thanks for getting my brain working. :)

Sunnie

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Justsilvie Level 4 Commenter 15 months ago

Another interesting Hub! Enjoyed it very much

I also love any discussion around the word Altruisms

I think my thoughts definitely would be in conflict with someone like Ayn Rand.

Reading Rand really brought the word Altruisms to the forefront of many discussions in my younger years. I never agreed with her arguments and thought they were based on the sacrifices she felt she had to make in her life and I think her influence really has made the word rather abhorrent to some people and maybe also influenced our American fear of the word Socialism since the two are closely related.

I have always thought of the definition of Altruisms as people are all of equal value and should all share in the things that make us thrive as a species, in that thinking I don’t feel that I somehow have to sacrifice my needs for another to have theirs, but I am still thinking...

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6hotfingers3 Level 1 Commenter 15 months ago

Interesting Hub! Your hub reminds me of a book in the Christian Bible. The book is Ecclesiastes. It talks about the meaning of life. And in the end when all is said and done, its all meaningless.Check it out!

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BobbiRant Level 4 Commenter 16 months ago

Depression usually=watching too much media=figuring out I can't have every gadget known to man=not having the biggest house=too many credit cards to pay for all the crap the media has convinced us we need. Like this hub.

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cloudy_cool 16 months ago

In Asia, it is almost a 'crime' not to agree with your family's or should I say, your elder's decisions! There are popular soaps on TV displaying these characteristics of the stubborn/orthodox Indian...each individual suffers from not being able to stand up for themselves & yet, they have to bow down to the deep rooted cultures or they're considered an outcast.

Also, I second Shelly's take on 'loving someone else for yourself'...we're all on this earth, interacting for our own selfish reasons...but its seen differently in different relationships, like; its 'sweet love' betn partners (http://hubpages.com/hub/I-Love-You-if), 'friendship' betn friends, 'security' with parents etc and the list goes on....the selfishness degree varies, but what the heck...humans are social animals...isn't this expected?

Shelley Dawson 22 months ago

Even loving someone else is for yourself. Love is a solid example of personal ethical egoism. When we are "in search of love" do we look for the one who needs it most? No. We look for the one who best suits ourselves. Yet loving someone else benefits them too, most of the time. Therefore, love is ethically egotistical.

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Dutch Hermit 2 years ago

All people are egoistic. Not just a bit, all people are from their toe to the tip of their head egoistic. And there is some theory that all people acting selfishly lead to the best result for all. It is true, because those who can't go with the pack are not in the statistics, they die sooner or later. It is some kind of evolutionism, just as the chinese way, and on some way even the australian way.

There is some other possible theory. Someone can, for some weird and foolish reason, love someone else. Egoistic motives have nothing to do with real love, love is foolish, therefore divine. It works, I can tell you, and is better for all.

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